Recently, a few of these guys were in Germany for a few days doing the Martin Luther tour. Then they purchased the Wildlife Federation building and mega-sized the already mega church. And yes very sad. I am certainly not saying that my job is equivalent to giving a sermon at church but I do have to lead the meeting, I have to ask the right questions and ferret out information that people may be unwilling to give (but we tell them up front, this is not a fault-finding exercise). He also said that my observations of being a church memberin a number of churches would be helpful to pastorsas well. I usually dread listening to missionaries speak, anticipating the guilt trip that they sometime put on other people for not being as extreme and missional and sacrificial as them. Bridget, At MBC we have a large pastoral staff who make hospital visits, perform weddings and funerals, etc. (But seriously, 20-25 hrs a week on prep? How different the whole church culture would be if the profit motive went away? If one person does happen to have a message that the church feels is important to be shared across all the campuses, then that person can travel around and deliver the message in person. With a seminary degree???? Nor do they ever get any deeper. I couldnt agree more. Its like a code for the party apparatus. In old English, the verb pasture was turned into the noun, pastor. Webdoes david platt have a speech impediment. Next, improvements in distribution will enable more people to have access to the bread: more markets and bigger market-share. C. J. Mahaney was a promoter of toxic Calvinism for years and look what happen to those who were fed a steady diet of it at his SGM churches. The people in this church are very nice & supportivebut Im starting to think its time to move on. The non-denominational fellowship had its services in I think it was the auditorium of a middle school in McLean, VA. As I recall, the teaching was Bible-based and for the most part spot on. Trustees also will evaluate McLeans level of partnership with the Southern Baptist Convention. ), I keep hearing that echo from that 9Marks newsletter I read online, where someone asked what to do if people didnt want to sign a covenant, and the answer was to reason with them and then ease them out if they wouldnt sign. Were connected. Mahaney and Wayne Grudem repeatedly regurgitate the same few sermons time after time. No disrespect to the multitude of honest, hard working real pastors who labor faithfully, week in and week out in normal churches with an average of 100-200 in attendance each week. And sadder yet many cant see it! Ive even seen multi-media pastor. I'm very upfront with my role to my church. Because healthy community is missional. Warren observes that this never impresses him, and that it raises the question of whether they love the people theyre preaching to as much as they love the rush of public speaking. Theyre a kind of corporate lone ranger Christian (as the saying goes), having abandoned assembling together with anyone else locally, albeit trying to find some kind of belonging somewhere. ____ I dont see a vested authority required in scripture. Scripture also uses terms like laborers together with God. Ever wonder (Wonder Bread) why the lame and the blind are mentioned so often together in scripture? Yes, a traveling speaker seems like a much better productive role for him but we are just the uneducated layman of the church body, what do we know? Yes and he is only speaking 65% of the time! I hope you are. Whats wrong for you may be right for another believer and vice versa. Yes, but Platt played the deep sense of calling (from God) card which translated into plain English means I have a better job offer and this is your notice. They cannot fire him and they cannot say God did not call him, either because Unspiritual. They also repeat the same series of sermons at the same time each year, and the series are the same ones that youll hear at other Arc churches. The messages were pretty much the same. final sermon at The Church at Brook Hills today and he stated he still has the dream of going on mission to Nepal. We should be supporting not admonishing! Sometimes we forget and need to be reminded. Some of the classes taught by laymembers at MBC are outstanding. If we hope to reveal the worth of Gods love to others, what has it cost us? most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. Its reductionistic, but I like the Church gathered to worship (edify, exhort, encourage) and be fed; then the Church scattered (respective families, jobs, neighborhoods) to do missions/evangelism. I have read all his books and eagerly take notes from every sermon. I wish I was left to be a layperson. True, sir (if it be proper to call God sir). And Platt would be doing the job he was hired to do and the Trustees would be doing their jobs as well. Maybe another big financial crisis is coming because the money is not rolling in and he wants a way out. My husband said this evening that its like a plague and now even once-immune MBC is falling victim to it. i have a feeling it isnt wondered about. There is no excuse for the lack of shepherding, love, and caring that we are seeing in the modern church. A friend of one of my kids has stuck with SBC mega through its transitioning into calvinist/ comp/ elite and IMO one reason is precisely the organization judging from what I know of that person in other areas of his life. The response I had no right to ask to speak to the pastor, the pastor is a very busy man (busy doing what?) While he was at Brook Hills it was practically heresy to disagree with David.). I wouldt read too much into that experience. We believers are all priests, Jesus is our high priest, and we were not supposed to embrace this pagan shamanism nonsense to begin with. Guilt induced you are not giving me enough money for MY missions and you are not doing ENOUGH witnessing in your own life as decided by me, the missions director for god. I do it for my housebound parents on Wed. May you be richly blessed. Our LORD has said, Follow me and I will make you fishers of men. Out of the tent of meeting, God will make you. David Platt has openly talked about the need to recruit and go after 18 to 25 year old students for their ultimate goals and purposes. Perhaps it could be in a negative senseIOW, everything this man said to do, do the opposite. Once the new pastor arrived, it quickly went Neo-Cal. It seemed like individuals from same small group would always have something to share while everyone listened. The father. We always sit in the back and still do. Learn from the Primitive Baptists and early Holiness folks (not todays clergy model) and early Quakers (not todays nonChristian version.). Even if he mostly avoids distractions from pesky parishioners and students, and mostly recycles and repackages his content, theres still unavoidable meeting time with the church staff who tend the flock, grad assistants who grade the papers, TGC comrades, researchers, editors, publishers etc. I am a member of MBCbut now a former member as of today. The elders of McLean Bible Church (MBC) have asked Dr. David Platt to consider becoming Pastor-Teacher of the church, a title used in the churchs constitution to describe the pastor whose primary duty is to preach and teach the Word of God. As Pastor-Teacher (or Teaching Pastor), Dr. Platt would serve alongside other pastors in the church including Dale Sutherland, who is the Lead Pastor responsible for overall day-to-day leadership in the church. I know he did this purposely since they had all sorts of huge speakers in his church. The shared leadership not taking full-time pay checks from their fellow believers, perhaps? the title teaching pastor means they do not have to interact with the peasant pew sitters. Meeting in homes instead of large church buildings? Expenses run high in that stratosphere. https://thouarttheman.org/2014/03/11/docent-group-should-dump-driscoll-and-hire-mahaney/, I have shown that Mack Stiles, C.J. @ Preacherskid: That has even helped me turn this not quite the usual parishioner into someone that I am truly glad to see every Sunday. And it is He himself, the Jesus of keep my commandments who says to some depart from me What I see happening is horrifying. I believe in the paid pastor role a laborer is worthy of his/her hire. This is Creator-centric. @ Jeffrey J Chalmers: This post has many thoughtful insights, especially the character qualities needed to be a loving pastor. Church was run, shepherded, pastored, whatever you want to call leading the flock by all of us. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. @ Sopwith: olks, find a church in which you have a real pastor, not a talking head who offers nothing different than a podcast Find a pastor who knows your names and will come and sit with you when you are in the hospital. I do not make any claim to have arrived as a Christian, but I do have a daily practical intentional walk with Jesus. So yes, I do think they dont really care about the other things, too. With Mac Brunson you see tweets about Lambert and Mohler and trivializing the impact of Irma on the community while whining about the minor ways it inconvenienced him personally. I grew up Church of Christ however; denominations mean nothing to me. We do exactly what He said not to do, excusing it with the idea we are contextualizing it for today or that today is different than Bible times, and then get our panties in a wad when things go badly. Nor do they ever get any deeper. Once the bible (or more specifically what some people try to do with the bible} is treated as simply a different version of the old Jewish idea of law and thus turned into a burden too heavy to bear-then we can quote Jesus himself about the fact that creating burdens like that is a big time no-no. The worth of something is predicated upon its cost. To my knowledge neither Platt nor Furman have apologized for the scam they took part in. Does everything have to be done according to the Bible? Couldnt one set up some form of webcast in order to preach_the_gospel in Nepal or anywhere else? Podcast in Person reminds me of the scary movie. He may well love all but he has said that not all survive the judgment. ), you are neglecting the gathering together of the saints. It seems to me that youre all just looking for the perfect church. Prayer Requests David is a teacher to the world, literally, online, through his books, through the IMB, etc. Anyway, the sermon was completely delusional. Without a revelation of Who God is, the people will run wild, unrestrained. Im all over the continuum insofar as views go. Yeah, church life wont keep theologians in check. Much of the sermon is basic storytelling. And while Im at it, Ive been on enough church building projects to know that buildings and public meetings arent necessarily blessings. David is a gifted speaker and inspiring leader. As far as one being the outgrowth of the other. Ive never seen this in scripture. Prediction: I bet he resigns from the IMB and this is the first step to getting his ducks in a row. . Small fellowships are well and good, but you darn well better get your fanny in a seat to hear the pastor preach on a regular basis, or else youre doin it wrong. I promote the Salvation Army over the SBC. Because those are more entertaining, particularly to a TV audience. These pastors (without quotation marks) dont double-dip or moonlight as motivational speakers and writers, or publicise themselves, or invest their time in furthering their careers by making their (quotes) churches (more quotes) into conference centres at which they can speak. I get your point but you will also notice in Acts 2 that believers had all things in common, met daily in the temple and broke bread together in homes. This is one of the things my church actually makes a concerted effort to doopen the facilities throughout the week to various groups. Second thought is the IMB Presidency is a full-time job which God also called him to and God is not as flakey as David Platt appears to be. You both nailed it to the wall! The produce being sold includes commercial growers, according to the signs on their pickup trucks. I would like to say to all of you. Could you comment on that? He had his family and his oilfield job, and we were either adults or in families with adults. Rumor has it that the IMB is super mucked up financially. The things she happened upon sent her down rabbit trails while she was researching Du Bai (sp?) I do think that it is a poor idea to have a teaching pastor who doesnt know her or his flock, as I agree with Bridget that pastors should be driven by the Spirit to attend to the needs of the congregation. feeling tension over what is duplicitous, deceitful, self-promoting under the cover of God is a healthy response. But theres a lot of bigger issues that a lot of people here have mentioned. Of course, you can do some evangelism at the church site. There was a youth minister a childrens minister and an education Minister. Conferences. All believers do have access, yes. CJ Mahaney and Larry Thomsak (both names probably spelled incorrectly) were very instrumental in my early Christian growth with the TAG meetings in D.C. Really loved those meetings. Platt, unfortunately, was merely a podcast in person. Silence, as the cancer stealthy grows? I think that Platt has a good point. But they are the foundation to faith and give definition and motivation to service (in light of His great love). We are to go into all the world and BE witnesses. We have been attending MBC for 4 years. Having grown up in a mainline Protestant denomination, this experience was fabulous. I felt the LORD give me this analogy/story line a few years ago concerning juggernaut corporate bakeries and local artisan bakeries. @ Gram3: I came across the Disasko reference here. Please dont tell me that Lon believes in Calvanismwould break my heart. But the salvation of the world has a purpose beyond that. When he recently encountered a young man who stutters at a Keene, Could you quote me some specific passages on that? Therefore, Who God is and what He has done is paramount for the faith community. No longer is this business an artisan bakery, but a big time corporation. How long will it take the 13-25 thousand people who attend services at the McLean Bible multi-plex Church in Northern Virginia on a regular basis to realize they are being had by preachers who are now pushing stealth Calvinism, and hanging out with and supporting 501(c)3 organizations that do? . Charles Spurgeons : Defense Of Calvinism : to be more specific, they said that their insurer advised them that if they were to let anyone use their facility other than another non-profit, it could jeopardize their tax-exempt status. My problem with some of what is being said here is that the bible never says that it is a procedure manual for how to do church for cross-cultural purposes or for perpetuity or for that matter even in the first century. This is not to argue against paid staff but it should certainly argue for much more humility than what is often demonstrated. I disagree. He may well love all but he has said that not all survive the judgment. . My wife just got home from her evening shift & I put in overtime. On the other side, he plays Steve in Sex and the City, in which he plays a deaf character. To our readers I attended McLean Bible for about 4 years starting in 2000 and it certainly wasnt Neo Cal then. It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. I hear your complaints. How to Resign from a Church (Formerly pastored by Joshua Harris and C.J. WebDavid Platt is a great example of a man who may have a speech impediment yet the listener is captivated by his genuine passion for the gospel. What about the way New Testament leaders and teachers apparently worked to provide their own physical sustenance, so they would not be burdensome on the believers, oh, say, tent-making, for example? They are very thoughtful about these sorts of things, actually. He was certainly a captain whom you could rely on to turn up and put in a shift when the team was under pressure. Did I miss that anywhere in this thread? The role of the pastor is to embody the gospel. Pastor X called me by my names tonight when he handed me the bread. Books. We made funerals and weddings church events when they never were in Bible times. The model in the New Testament was shared leadership. Youre modeling New Testament now? ), Calvinism, it comes from John Calvins Institutes Of The Christian Religion; which is simply regurgitated 4th century Augustinian Gnosticism, a false gospel message. Believe in Jesus today, youll be very glad YOU did! Oh yeah-thats the guy who shows us how not to be crazy busy-now *pastor* of a lg church and seminary professor. Only You, Jesus can show this blind man who looks!, Have Calvinism, Will Stealthy Creep, Perhaps?. I hope not. I think there is more going on. https://fiec.org.uk/events/event/leaders-conference-2017. The big boys all use research services to do the heavy lifting. I find it interesting that Paul never did this, at least in his letters. They said its a new testament model so it is. i suppose its happening just wish it would go faster. If you have a good class and good friends in that class, keep going. David Platt (pastor) David Joseph Platt is an American pastor. He is currently the Pastor-Teacher at McLean Bible Church, and he is also the author of the New York Times Best Seller Radical: Taking Back Your Faith from the American Dream. Platt released a follow-up book, Radical Together: Unleashing the People of God for the Purpose Or do you mean the Mega New Testament Church model, in which the large full-time staff are comfortably paid wages from the offering baskets of the local believers (believers that they must manage) especially the ones who are sharing leadership with them on a non-paid basis, fitting it around the hours they work to earn money to live. Anointed preaching/proclamation is a big part of this witness. Quite a change in 20 years. I cant help but wonder if Lon was pushed out. Her health took a turn for the worse and she past away while in intensive care. @ Todd Wilhelm: Our collective gathering together has far more impact than the individual can judge from our own vantage point. He looks nothing like David Platt. http://anglicanmainstream.org/leaving-the-denomination/. More customers flock in/buy in to the marketing strategy and feel that the product enhances their life its even enriched and fortified. Or insipid video series made by the pastors wife/youth group/whatever? Incidentally, in the spirit of holding fast to that which is good, Ill choose to remember David Platt for his superb goal for England against Belgium in the 1990 World Cup finals in Italy: And why didnt Jesus, His Disciples, and His Apostles, make the big bucks and the lives of the rich and famous as we see witnessed today with the great evangelists, preachers and teachers of our day? Meeting in homes instead of large church buildings? He is doing exactly this! The Nepalese believers dont seek expenses-paid work jollies or international trips, or book deals. Nor do they ever get any deeper. But it should be available. In kinda scratching my head here. I wonder whether you can ever meet with ANY ordained clergy person at MBC. We are there as a BODY to ask what can we do to GLORIFY GOD?. Additionally, DeYoung is a member of The Gospel Coalition Council and writes frequent articles for their blog, is the Senior pastor of Christ Covenant Church in Matthews, North Carolina, is an active member of the celebrity Christian conference circuit, teaches at Reformed Seminary, and is working on his Ph.D. As for spending 20-25 hours to prepare a sermon, that may be the case with a real pastor, but in my research I have found it is rarely the case with the busy celebrity preachers. pastors should see this and understand it. Exactly! 13. I spend 7-10 hours studying Gods word and I am not preparing a sermon. 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